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armys on twitter get a lot of hate whenever they say that they stan “btspop” and not kpop so today we ask the age old quetion: is bts still kpop? now, personally, i believe that bts is now more than kpop but i want to hear your opinions (since i'm new here and want to know your views in this topic lol) kpop can be used in two contexts: it could be seen as a genre of music or as an industry. as a genre, kpop is just pop music in korean. yes, there are some varieties in the sound like twice definitely doesn’t sound like dreamcatcher or ikon definitely doesn’t sound like seventeen but i think all of it still falls under the “kpop” umbrella. however, if you go to korean online forum sites like pann, you’d know that most knetz categorize their music in two more subsection: the idol music and the artist’s music. idol music is seen as more of the repetitive kind of songs, those ones that are really catchy but doesn’t really have any substance to it. most of the time, these songs are not really taken seriously and most of the time is just given to the group by their company to sing. artist music, on the other hand, is taken more seriously by the people in korea. these songs are the ones that actually has a message and is (most of the time) made by the group or the singer themselves. the purpose of idol music is to entertain while the purpose of artist music is to relay a message, to persuade, or to inform its listeners. i’d like to say that music wise, bts is still kpop however they fall more on the artist side more than on the idol side. i think bts has already proven enough that they are artists and not just idols with their music that they have been making since early in their career. kpop as an industry is known to be a “factory of perfect idols who can sing, dance, rap, and all other talents you could think of”, but it is also known for the “very strict training and management”. kpop is very stigmatized among non-kpop fans because it is something that they don’t see very often. western fans is obsessed with artists writing their own music because it could show them a little more about the artists themselves and shows the artists’ artistry. kpop is seen more as a joke or a meme rather than actual music. when psy first became viral, he was seen as a joke among non-korean people and though he charted high in billboard charts, it was because people think he’s funny and not really because he’s a great artist. a lot of armys do not support kpop as an industry. though bts was already big even before the 2017 bbmas, we can’t deny that there was a big influx of new fans when bts won their first top social artist award. most of these fans came from other western fandoms while others are just complete kpop virgins so when they first joined the fandom, they wouldn’t know anything about the systems in kpop and once they knew, they completely hated it. now, bts took a very different route than all these other kpop groups did. instead of going to every variety show ever, they made their own variety show called run bts. they make their own music, promoted in their own way. yes they may be trained and is dolled up for the camera, but they are very authentic and they want to be taken seriously as artists, as musicians. their company is not big and influential to manipulate their way to the top, even up until now. in my opinion, bts is definitely not under the "kpop umbrella" anymore as an industry. the reason why people say “btspop” also is because bts is not kpop anymore, and they’re still not accepted in the west so they’re technically still not “pop”, so we (twitter army) call it “btspop” instead. i posted a full video about this on youtube and i kind of explained it more there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds9pJ_MVOEE i hope we all discuss this maturely and respect each other's opinions